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CAN Summit 2021 - Stockport CAN session Q&A
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Stockport CAN session
Session Q&A
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[Chellce] We're now going to go on to a Q&A, which is always incredibly fun. So, I would like to introduce Nick Leslie, Head of Climate Action Now, and Mark Glynn, Director of Place Management, and Phil Korbel, who we've obviously spoken to, and Steve Malkin, who we've actually spoken to as well. And we've got some questions. So are we ready? Don't worry, they're not too bad! Okay, so the first thing I'd like to kick start with is actually for Mark Glynn. So what's being done to reduce the carbon footprint from travel in Stockport? Good question. [Mark Glynn, Stockport Council] Very good question. Thank you, Chellce. Good morning, everybody. It is an enormous challenge for us, travel, across the planet but in Stockport as well. I think from the analysis that we did is roughly about a third of our carbon emissions came from travel and about 25% of journeys are a mile or less and 60% of them are by car. So that's something that we really do need to encourage to change. But I think the big challenge for us on this is how we engage and build the support of the community. I think, echoing what Phil was saying earlier, this isn't something that the council does to people. We need to work very closely with neighbourhoods and communities to garner their support and encourage people to change their behaviours because we do need to change behaviours. Having said that, the council has put a huge amount of effort and investment in trying to transform the transport offer. The leader was talking earlier about the huge investment in public transport: Metrolink, bus franchising and decarbonisation of the buses, the new bus interchange. We are investing in Stockport train station and we've got some money to start to develop a new train station in Cheadle. So, hopefully we're putting in place a public transport offer that would really work. I think, overlaying that there's a huge challenge about walking and cycling as well in communities. And although we've spent the last few years investing quite heavily in a number of schemes, walking and cycling across the whole borough, we know there's a lot more work to do to engage the community and encourage more people to want to walk their kids to school, to visit their local shopping centre on foot, to do their shopping rather than getting in the car and going to the supermarket. And that's a wider community engagement and community support programme of change that needed. And it's not just what the Council can do, but it's at the very heart of everything we're doing. And as Pam just said, it's right at the heart of One Stockport, about how we make our neighbourhoods nicer places that people choose to walk around and visit shops and live their lives and get out of their cars more. So, a huge amount of stuff that we're doing. But it is about engaging the community rather than what the council can do. [Chellce] Fabulous. Thank you very much, Mark. Very well answered. Okay, so this next question is actually for both Steve Malkin and Phil Korbel. But we'll start with yourself, Steve. So is it enough to reduce carbon emissions? Do we not need to reverse the effect we've already had? So basically, you know, asking to start now, is it enough? [Steve Malkin, Planet Mark] Yes. So where we're going is, first of all, what's happening at the moment is we're still emitting more carbon, it's still going up. We need to hit peak carbon. So this is a graph going that way. So we're hitting peak carbon. We're gonna radically cut that by 50% by 2030. But at least there you've cut half of your emissions. Then we're going to get it down to zero. This is the sort of thing here, and that's what we talked about, zero carbon. And then the work really takes place. So then we're gonna get into regenerative. This is where we're going to be rebuilding our nature based systems, ecology, ecosystems and biodiversity and bringing the carbon levels down, it's sucking it out of the atmosphere. And that could be nature, it could be technology. So anything that we're producing right now that's emitting carbon ultimately should be sucking it out the atmosphere. What does that mean? What does that look like? That's a big, big challenge. That's about innovation. That's about changing the way we do stuff. So great, great question. Hit peak carbon, radically cut it to zero, and then get into regeneration. Phil? [Phil Korbel, The Carbon Literacy Project] Thank you. Yes, what Steve said! But seriously I think yes, of course, we've done a load of damage that we need to put right. We've got to slow the damage first. All of the talk about targets off in 2050 - actually, it's the next five years. We're not going to be able to get to any of the big targets unless the carbon budget at all levels is sorted in the next five years. Otherwise, the longer targets just to get to be impossible. There is this really good pioneering work, the phrase carbon positive is bubbling up - you've got to make that meaningful, get past the green wash on that - but the idea of putting back. There's a fantastic flooring company that set the pace on this called Interface, really using technology to put carbon to really remedy the damage that they've done, for example. So the examples are out there, but actually, let's keep our eye on the ball the next five years, we cannot delay. We cannot prevaricate any of this. We've just got to crack on and put it right and not ignore the biodiversity crisis either. They're very, very much interlinked. [Chellce] Fabulous. Thank you for that, Phil. Okay, so lastly, this question packs a punch. So, Nick, brace yourself for this one. This is a question for Nick Leslie. What's the point in us taking climate action when large corporations' and other large countries' carbon emissions are much higher than the UK? [Nick Leslie, Stockport Council] Yeah, that is a punchy question. I suppose Councillor Bailey alluded to it in her opening remarks in that it is about collective action. It's about collaboration. I think there's also a moral imperative as well in that larger corporations, bigger countries in the world emitting more emissions. I suppose an analogy would be, if you saw someone stealing thousands of pounds, would it be okay for you to steal £1? Well, no, it wouldn't, would it? But I think the point we want to get across at the moment is it is about everybody having a part to play in it. Individual action does count, and without sounding too much like a well-known supermarket, every little bit does help. And so I think the way that we can do that individually is with all these Net zero targets that are being set, which is great at COP26 lots of targets being set, but I think what we do need to do individually is hold those targets to account. And I think that's the next phase we're moving into is we're seeing lots of people talk and make lots of great commitments, but the next period is going to be about making sure we hold people to account. And as Phil said, we're all firefighters now. So I think individually, we certainly all have a part to play, and this is all about collaboration. [Chellce] Fabulous. That's very, very true. So Phil you appear to be a very popular man. If I can just steal you back for a moment. [Phil Korbel, The Carbon Literacy Project] This is just 'what about-ery'. We're not going to do the right thing because someone else isn't doing the right thing? Come on! Everybody's got to get on with this. You know, as Nick was alluding to, it's the old arms dealing thing - "we're going to carry on selling torture equipment because they're selling torture equipment." No, it's just wrong. We're messing up our kids' future. We're spoiling the things we love. We can play a role in it, even if there are some polluting people out there, not not doing their bit. Does that mean we don't? Come on, get a grip. This really is a crisis. We absolutely all have to get on board with it. And notice I was editing my language as well! [Chellce] Yeah, we love that. It's live. So you're doing very, very well. And finally, Phil, what can we do as individuals in a very small summary? [Phil Korbel, The Carbon Literacy Project] Okay, big things you can do: if you have control over your energy bills, home energy bills, get onto a renewable tariff. If you have control over your pension, make sure it isn't funding the extraction of fossil fuels. Greater Manchester pension fund, take note. Oh, dear, getting a bit political, sorry. Try eating more plant-based food, some of it. There's marvellous food out there that's also healthier for you. If you can, can you experiment with leaving your car at home? Most especially, if it's still burning diesel or petrol? And if you're in the position to be able to afford switching your car to an electric car, do that as well. So think about it, get your carbon instinct in gear. Don't waste stuff, don't buy stuff you don't need and can't afford. There's more, but I'll stop there. [Chellce] Fabulous stuff. Well, a massive thank you to Mark Glynn, Steve Malkin, Phil Korbel and Nick Leslie there for answering the very loaded questions and for doing it so well. But I think we all knew that there were going to be questions like this at this event, because that's just the way forward!